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  • in reply to: Rule Changes for 2014 #1294
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Guys, surely the key thing here is “not allowed on the public highway” – which we don’t do anyway.

    Whats the problem?

    in reply to: mcrae stages #1296
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Well done guys out on the McRae – sounds like a good event for sure, my little lads 3rd birthday meant I had to stay at home and send the boy Knox along with Andy on Lake 3 instead.

    Look forward to seeing your 127 Fraser, just hope you can get it round the hairpins at Dervaig!

    Ian N

    in reply to: AMRO Needs YOU. #1193
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    For those who haven’t seen them, here are the minutes from the AGM.

    in reply to: AMRO Needs YOU. #1190
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Fraser et All –

    AMRO Meeting was worth going to. It seems our opposite numbers from South of the Border have much of the same concerns and issues that we do.

    In brief, here’s a summary:

    The committee remains more or less the same, for those who had no idea its now as follows:

    Chairman: Ian Joustra
    Vice Chair: Chris Watson
    Secretary: Paul FIfe
    Treasurer: Shirley Blackwell
    Membership Secretary: Russell Howitt
    Joint Training Officers: Richard Shorey & Ian Nelson
    Newsletter: John Blackwell
    Club Development Officer: Richard Shorey
    Web Master:Ian Nelson
    Ordinary Members: Ian Culbert, Paul Hull, Andy Taylor, Malcolm Watson

    Colin Rodger put himself forward for Membership Secretary however voting was in favour of Russell Howitt (one of the Welsh members) 21 to 5.

    I have taken both training officer and webmaster roles on.

    Issues and proposals:

    The topic of membership was discussed and a few people aired concerns that they and others had not received any correspondence in respect to the AGM and some new members had not received any confirmation (membership cards) of their membership. It was suggested that poor communication with members has had a negative effect on turnout to the AGM(s) and possibly threatened the existence of the organisation. It is hoped that the new membership secretary can put this right.

    Also discussed was the website and its out of date state. Having taken on the webmaster role, I have proposed to involve a professional company to redevelop the AMRO site using WordPress, including the facility for members to update their details on-line and perhaps have a google map placeholder for each AMRO unit in the UK (with contacts if requested). In order to stimulate activity and involvement with club members I have also pledged the current forum you read here to AMRO and open it up to the entire organisation. This was done with the approval of the Scottish Area guys present (Richard, Kenny & Colin). Shortly I will produce details of what is intended for those who might be interested.

    With the improvements to membership and new website, some suggested that this was to be a relaunch of the organisation – also to include some new logos / artwork etc. These are sufficient funds in the club at the moment to comfortably do this.

    Finally the current MSA insurance “problem” was brought up and after much discussion, the decision was taken to request a copy of the insurance policy document from the MSA so that members could satisfy themselves as to the cover being provided. In the same letter to the MSA, a scenario will be put to them as clarification sought. I’m sure we’ll hear back via John Blackwell’s newsletter soon enough.

    Thats about it – long day & many miles.

    in reply to: MSA Magazine – Insurance #1279
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Here we have it, a response from John Symes to Richard Ashton. In my opinion, not good enough.

    “Good afternoon

    I can be quoted as stating that the extent of the MSA insurance package is broad in the extreme but it does not extend to infinity. As with any insurance policy for any class of insurance there are limits, conditions and exclusions. Such as rescue, recovery and course car vehicles damage to the vehicle is not covered. If on the public highway any incident is the responsibility of the RTA insurer. If the vehicle is not on public highway then if it collides with person or property the policy will respond to the damaged person or property but not damage to the vehicle. There is provision for vehicles that are damaged in such circumstances as having to be parked in a location in order to carry out their safety duties for the policy to respond to damage to that vehicle. Remember each claim is looked at on an individual basis but if the rescue unit is parked at a rally in the defined location and gets clouted I anticipate the policy will respond. The policy will not respond to loss or damage of kit. In theory a competitor could seek damages if a rescue unit cuts the roof off but the chances are extremely slim and to succeed he would have to satisfy the court that the crew were negligent in their actions. The court would consider evidence such as a doctor confirming that the patient had suspected spinal injuries etc. and in order to manage those injuries the course of action was appropriate. I have no experience of such an case being contemplated, let alone mounted. Whilst nothing is impossible I do not see it as a realistic risk.

    The policy excludes vehicles in custody and care. Generally speaking once you attach a line to a vehicle that vehicle is in custody and care. Thus it is important if at all possible to make sure the vehicle owner or representative is aware of what you are proposing to do and consents. Verbal is fine but best to make sure there is a witness. We have had a small number of attempts to claim damages in such circumstances and successfully rebutted them without cost to the officials.

    The MSA keeps the insurance programme under continual review, it is more comprehensive than other ASN’s and we believe than other sports governing bodies. We have long experience and there is no history of insured parties being left “high and dry” but rember there are limits to any cover.

    Regards”

    in reply to: MSA Magazine – Insurance #1278
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    A good opportunity for us all to build bridges, pull together and make our feelings known to the MSA as one. Perhaps a bigger direction will be decided at the AGM this weekend, however it would appear that the general feeling is that in exchange for our commitment to attaining our license and unit criteria set by the MSA (at a cost) then we would expect the MSA to pledge their support by covering our liability whilst working with competitors cars. Surely we have proven ourselves competent? Isn’t that the point of our training?

    Question is of course, if that direction was to simply refuse to attend events until the matter was sorted, how many would stick by it?

    Tell me?

    in reply to: MSA Magazine – Insurance #1273
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Just to be blunt then, YOU damage a car on an event and the owner gets upset and decides to sue – supposing he is sucessful then at the end of a very expensive legal battle which the MSA may – and the emphasis is on MAY decide to help you defend yourself, you lose.

    The damages may well be £10,000 – they could be £100,000 and if you severely injur or kill a person it could be millions. That means you lose your house and everything you own. This is very, very real guys and the MSA have just put it in black and white. We’re not covered at all.

    Suggestions on how we tackle this please, bearing in mind an AMRO AGM is upon us and would offer a good opertunity to canvass the membership.

    in reply to: Mull Rally 2013 #1266
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Here’s one for units booking their ferry well in advance (those on the Oban>Craignure crossing anyway): if you book by phone, you can make a booking but still pay on the day you cross. This arrangement is not available online and they won’t tell you unless you ask. Call the booking office in Oban.

    Thanks Neil Bowring for the heads up – saves being out of pocket 4 months plus before the event.

    in reply to: AMRO Needs YOU. #1177
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Gentlemen (Ahem!)

    Those of you who are members of AMRO should have had a notification of the AGM being held on the 17th of August @ 2pm: Corley Parish Council Village Hall, Church Lane, CORLEY North Warwickshire CV7 8AZ.

    Yes, it is bloody miles away and understandably you may thing “whats the point”, “why bother” etc., HOWEVER if like me you have had a decent pay out from the Safety Fund then it’s important to note that AMRO is the big gear in the box that allows us to do it. If we lose AMRO, then we also lose the support from the likes of the Blackwells and much of the opportunity to have our say with the MSA. From a financial perspective, it also makes the process of securing safety fund payouts much more complex and possibly not possible.

    SO.

    Providing that I’m not moving house that weekend, I intend to go down, show face, lend support and hopefully help keep the thing running. I’d be leaving AM, returning PM same day – 4 spaces in my car if anyone else cares to join me.

    in reply to: Mull Rally 2013 #1259
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Yeah, we’ll be there again but just a 2 man crew this time as our “Kitchen Bitch” has emigrated to NZ. Staying up at Burg again, cottage booked – I think Lake3 is in with us again too. Transport a bit more civilised this year too.

    in reply to: Jim Clark Rally, 31May-2nd June 2013 #1110
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Iain,

    Commonly after events a handful of crews put their experiences and comments up on here and John will take parts of the information to form a debrief for the rally. Granted, some of my experiences this time were poor and sadly that would seem to be mirrored by other marshals and competitors alike, but unless we all discuss our points on openly between ourselves we cannot help the event move forward.

    I enjoy the rally but my own frustration is that we’re a good team of guys out and if the organisers would use us properly we could save them a hell of a lot of stress.

    Please remember this is for our own consumption and not open to public scrutiny unlike other forums.

    in reply to: Fire Extinguishers – Training Day on the 18th. #1258
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Colin

    They were assembled already, charged and sealed but no sticker?

    Ian

    in reply to: Fire Extinguishers – Training Day on the 18th. #1256
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Brian p,

    That’s fair. Odd thing is that Joe said that this was the same angle taken with in car extinguisher systems – no ticket is required.

    So, after last years training day I we t out and bought 2 brand new extinguishers. They don’t have a ticket but are sealed and within the green areas on the gauge. Where does that leave me then?? I can produce the reciept to show that they are only 12m old?

    in reply to: Fire Extinguishers – Training Day on the 18th. #1253
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Colin,

    It was a telephone call conversation and interestingly the same applies to competitors in car extinguishers too. Remember that the regulations you refer to cover use within business and Motorsport is not bound by these terms.

    Ian N

    in reply to: Fire Extinguishers – Training Day on the 18th. #1248
    amroadmin
    Keymaster

    Colin

    Thanks for the offer – hopefully some people have been in touch already?

    The subject of extinguishers always seems to be a hot topic 😛 at training days, so I’ve just spoken with Joe Hickerton at MSA HQ for clarification. The official stance on extinguishers is that they should be in good working order and ideally in compliance with the manufacturers recommendations for servicing. Certificates are and service records are not required by the MSA and obtaining the manufacturers recommendations for your particular extinguisher type may be difficult – so as a general rule of thumb, 2 yearly inspections would expected.

    Hope that helps

    Ian N.

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